There are many novels of the same period that have this quote in them, based on my perusal through the Internet Archive, but could anyone please tell me what the original source of the quote was?

It seems to have been a popular quote as so many 19th-century novels use it.

The earliest one I've found so far is A life's lessons by Catherine Grace Frances Moody Gore. It was published in 1856. However, I have no definite proof that this was the origin of the quote, only that it is the earliest work that I can find and I could be wrong.


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Searching for your quoted phrase online brings up a number of results all of which place the words inside inverted commas, suggesting they are all quoting something, as you surmised.

Among the results is this New Zealand newspaper of 1898, which makes reference to the words being from an 'old song' rather than from a novel.

There was a favourite old song that spoke of a parting and said, "It might be for years and it might be for ever,"

Armed with this additional information one can search for the quote with the addition of 'song' and 'lyrics'. This readily brings up references to the song 'Kathleen Mavourneen', which does indeed 'speak of a parting' and was extremely popular in its day, and judging by the number of modern recordings available, remains so.

a song written in 1837, composed by Frederick Crouch with lyrics by a Mrs. Crawford

The song evidently acquired a degree of cultural significance through becoming the signature concert tune of Irish soprano Catherine Hayes, and its theme of separation has spoken to many separated by war and migration.

With the information that the words are in fact lyrics, other sources abound including Bells Irish Lyrics, which gives the lyrics, including these lines:

Oh have you forgotten how soon we must sever?
Oh have you forgotten this day we must part?
It may be for years and it may be forever
Oh why are you silent thou voice of my heart?
It may be for years and it may be forever;
Then why are you silent Kathleen Mavourneen?

Here is a recording from 1906 by opera singer Adelina Patti.

The phrase, as you have observed, occurs in many novels. Included in their number is Dickens' David Copperfield (published 1849 and 1850):

In bidding adieu to the modern Babylon, where we have undergone many vicissitudes, I trust not ignobly, Mrs. Micawber and myself cannot disguise from our minds that we part, it may be for years and it may be for ever, with an individual linked by strong associations to the altar of our domestic life.

Which is noted in Clarkson N. Potter's The Annotated Dickens as

a line from Julia Crawford's lyric 'Kathleen Mavourneen', set to music by F. H. Crouch and published in 1835 but performed earlier.

Whilst not contemporaneous with the song or its early use, Musical Allusions in the Works of James Joyce: Early Poetry through Ulysses by Zack R. Bowen cites Kathleen Mavourneen as the source of the 'sarcastic misquotation'

May be for months and may be for never

which James Joyce uses in Ulysses.

In St. Martin’s Eve: A Novel (1866), Ellen Wood clearly identifies the song by name when it is performed by one of the characters:

Rose who hated dullness as she hated poison, started up and opened the piano, hoping perhaps to dispel is, and began to look amidst the pile of music. She chose an old song; and out-of-date by gone song that she had not sung for months, perhaps years. How came she to hunt it up? It was a strange coincidence; little less than a fatality. The song was "Kathleen Mavourneen." Had any one asked Rose to sing it, she would gave cast back a sarcasm on the "perverted taste," on "English ideas," "vandalism," and commenced instead some new Italian of German thing, and screamed through it in defiance. On this night she began the song of her own accord; and i say it was a fatality.

"to think that from Erin and thee I must part -
It may be for years, and it may be for ever -

Thus far had Rose sung, when deep sobs startled her. They came from Adeline. She had been leaning back in her grandmamma's fauteuil, pale and quiet, but full of inward agitation. The song seemed singularly applicable to her, and she had listened to its words ad they went on with an oppressed heart. Singularly applicable! She was leaving her country, her home, and her dear parents, it might be for years and it might be forever, in these moments of sadness, a straw will unhinge the outward composure.

What is interesting here is that the lyrics are quoted accurately as 'may be' while the character Adeline paraphrases to 'might', thus creating the line which the question originally asks about. So while this quotation is supportive evidence of 'Kathleen Mavourneen' being the original source, it may be possible that M. Harrow was correct and St Martin's Eve is the novel from which their quoted line originates.

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    Thanks so much. I think your idea is more likely to be correct than my original idea that the quote came from a novel. As you noted, all the literary sources use the quote as a quote, whereas since the song became, essentially, part of 19th-century popular culture, it is likely that it was used in everyday speech and novels, in the same way we use Harry Potter quotes and Jane Austen quotes a lot. I’ll do some more research but thanks for your answer; it seems like a step in the right direction!
    – M. Harrow
    Dec 7, 2017 at 12:40
  • You are welcome. I’m curious though, it sounds as though you are less than convinced this is the source. What sort of evidence are you looking for that you would regard as more conclusive?
    – Spagirl
    Dec 7, 2017 at 18:33
  • No, I do think this is the source, especially as there is nothing to prove otherwise. I really am grateful to you and convinced. I wanted a source that said explicitly that the said quote came from a song but as there are no sources before the song, it is almost impossible for the song to not be the source. I am very sorry for any offence caused; I only didn’t want to appear lazy and ungrateful by accepting your answer without bothering to research further. Thanks again!
    – M. Harrow
    Dec 8, 2017 at 3:53
  • I do apologise, I posted while I had a migraine and obviously missed your meaning and sounded abrupt. It is a pity that the report of the Return of Mr Richard Reynolds wasn't a touch more specific +which* song! If you are searching further it might be worth throwing the singer's name into the mix, you might hit on a 'As Mrs Hayes so sweetly trills..'It may be....etc.' If you do find more specifics, it would be good if you came back and added them to the answer for completeness. I'm adding in the exact quote from the Waikato Argus.
    – Spagirl
    Dec 8, 2017 at 10:47
  • Sure, I’ll start researching :).
    – M. Harrow
    Dec 11, 2017 at 8:37

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