In the story "Fellow-Feeling" from R. K. Narayan's short story collection Malgudi Days (which I've been reading online), a proverb is mentioned in passing:

Rajam Iyer leaned back in his seat, reminding himself of a proverb which said that if you threw a stone into a gutter it would only spurt filth in your face.

I'd never heard this before, but I like it. In context it's a metaphor for not arguing with idiots, along the same lines as "don't mud-wrestle with a pig, because you'll both get filthy but the pig will enjoy it" and "don't play chess with pigeons: they'll knock over the pieces, crap all over the board, and then strut around like they've won". But I like this one even better, and I'd like to know its source. The story suggests it's a traditional or well-known proverb, but Googling it only gave me pages about this very story.

Did Narayan invent this saying, or is it really a proverb? If the latter, what language/culture does it come from?

It might be that my Google search for a real proverb failed because this only became known in English through Narayan, and in some Indian language/culture it might indeed be well known. For what it's worth, the character Rajam Iyer is a Brahmin, reading a book in Tamil, travelling from Madras to Bangalore. (I don't know enough about Indian cultures to know which of these facts is most likely to be relevant.)

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    RK Narayan is himself Tamil, and I'd judge "reading a book in Tamil, travelling from Madras" to be most relevant - the proverb if it exists, is almost certain to be a Tamil proverb, but I don't know Tamil well enough to Google likely versions of the proverb
    – muru
    Apr 22, 2020 at 5:08
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    Related (there is such a Tamil proverb, apparently): english.stackexchange.com/q/310811/256322
    – user5387
    Apr 22, 2020 at 6:30

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The book A Classified Collection of Tamil Proverbs by the Rev. Herman Jensen, Danish Missionary, Madras (published in 1897 by The Methodist Episcopal Publishing House, Madras) lists the proverb on page 258:

Proverb 2327: சேற்றிலே கல் விட்டு எறிந்தால், மேலே தெறிக்கும்.

If you throw stones into mud it will splash over yourself.

"If you will stir up the mire, you must bear the smell."
"He who blows in the dust fills his eyes with it."
"Do not throw clods into dung to splatter your own clothes."

A transliteration of the proverb would read: cēṟṟilē kal viṭṭu eṟintāl, mēlē teṟikkum.

A scanned copy of the book can be accessed at the website of the Rare Book Society of India (RBSI).

Tamil Proverbs, Rev. Herman Jensen, page 258


It's a bit of an odd translation - but the actual proverb goes:

சேற்றில கல்லெறிஞ்சா அது மூஞ்சிலே தெறிக்கும்
If you throw a stone at mud, it will splatter on your face.

Apparently it is Tamil, but not specifically unique to the Tamil-Brahmin culture, who have a few linguistic quirks of their own.

There's a less polite version that seems a better fit:

பீ மேலே கல்லெறிஞ்சா உன் உதட்டுல தெறிக்கும்
If you throw stones at urine, it will land on your mouth.

While I'm unsure if a conservative/orthodox Brahmin would use such a term, I'm assured that linguistic standards of that generation were much less Puritan than ours.

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    Might be good to have the reading of the Tamil phrases rendered in the English alphabet (I'm guessing that it's something close to "chellil kallerinjal muukil therikkum" in Malayalam?)
    – muru
    Apr 22, 2020 at 6:48
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    I felt it would be too busy, and I've no idea how to transliterate a hard itrt. :D Apr 22, 2020 at 7:00
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    For context - the first would be "Setril kallerithal athu munjiyil therikkum" the latter is "pee mela kallerinthal athu un uthathil therikkum". Yes, Pee is exactly the same in english and tamil Apr 22, 2020 at 7:07
  • Isn't பீ usually #2, not #1? :P
    – V2Blast
    Apr 25, 2020 at 8:30
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    uhm. Curse my excessively polite upbringing. I usually use somewhat more formal terms for this. Apr 25, 2020 at 8:32

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