Timeline for Why is Aragorn so weird to Pippin when they make their final farewell before going back to the Shire?
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| Oct 1, 2021 at 10:59 | comment | added | Andrew McGuinness | When Pippin volunteered to serve Denethor (and similarly for Merry with Theoden) there was a tendency to see him as a mascot or jester. If he couldn't be commanded by Aragorn, that would mean he was not a real soldier. Aragorn is confirming that he is a real knight, with implied rights and responsibility. When he returns to the Shire, that knowledge adds to his confidence. | |
| Oct 28, 2020 at 10:23 | comment | added | TRiG | Clearly I meant acclamation, not acclimation. | |
| S Oct 14, 2020 at 17:23 | history | suggested | CommunityBot | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Oct 14, 2020 at 9:49 | comment | added | OrangeDog | @AntonSherwood well it's hard to tell precisely, as the Hobbits were pretty casual about the matter, and the relevant King who actually owned the land wasn't around. Certainly the Bucklanders formed the primary practical defence of The Shire (if you ignore the rangers), being on the Eastern border. | |
| Oct 13, 2020 at 7:46 | comment | added | Anton Sherwood | @OrangeDog Brandywine is the boundary of the Shire (which is why the King and Queen arrange to meet the Mayor there); Buckland is beyond it, so no, the Master of Buckland is no vassal of the Thain. | |
| Oct 12, 2020 at 17:12 | comment | added | chepner | There's also an element of jest, though, I believe, in the same vein as when Aragorn "banished" Beregond to Ithilien. Aragorn obeys his own law that no Big People may set foot in the Shire, so one can assume that the inhabitants of the Shire will allowed to exist with minimal interference from outside. | |
| Oct 12, 2020 at 16:33 | comment | added | Graham | Just as an additional point for Pippin's status back home, note that it would not be Pippin deciding to leave for Aragorn's court, but Aragorn commanding his presence. How impressed would your friends be if you could say "Sorry lads, I can't go down the pub tomorrow because the King/Queen/President/Sheikh has asked for me"? :) | |
| Oct 12, 2020 at 15:17 | history | edited | Gareth Rees | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Oct 12, 2020 at 15:06 | comment | added | TRiG | Furthermore, Aragorn's clam to the sceptre of Arnor is far more certain than his claim to the crown of Gondor, which he attained by popular acclimation more than by right of inheritance. | |
| Oct 12, 2020 at 14:54 | history | edited | Gareth Rees | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Oct 12, 2020 at 14:29 | comment | added | OrangeDog | Perhaps it should be explicitly noted that Pippin is the heir to the Thrain - the "leader" of the Shire - who's vassals are the Master of Buckland (Merry's father, which Merry inherits), the Mayor of Hobbiton (a position to which Sam is elected), and then later the Warden of The Westmarch. During the old wars of the Witch King against the (by then split) kingdoms of Arnor, The Shire mustered a company of archers to the aid of their liege-lord. | |
| Oct 12, 2020 at 12:14 | history | edited | Gareth Rees | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Oct 12, 2020 at 11:57 | comment | added | Rand al'Thor♦ | More detail (and more and more, a ridiculous amount of detail) about Aragorn's descent from the line of Arnor and claim to the throne of Gondor. | |
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| Oct 12, 2020 at 11:39 | history | answered | Gareth Rees | CC BY-SA 4.0 |